The surprising impact of a four-day work week with Ian Leslie

The four-day work week. Many of us dream about it, but few get to experience it. Well, maybe not for long. Is a shorter work week the future of the workplace?

According to Ian and Bolt, it is. Bolt, an online checkout platform, started testing a four-day work week this fall and decided to make it a permanent fixture. Learn how they introduced it and what important processes you need to have in place before you do.

Tune in (or read below) to hear Ian’s insights on how to make your Monday through Thursday more efficient, how to do more in less time, and why work-life balance is crucial to productivity.

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In the episode “The surprising impact of a four-day work week,” we discuss

• Ian’s journey from journalism, through marketing, to Bolt
• How Bolt’s one-click checkout saves time for both consumers and merchants 
• Why it’s essential for Bolt to be easy to use and fast to market 
• What remote work theater is and why it decreases productivity
• How Bolt introduced a four-day work week and what they learned in the process
• How the team at Bolt does more in less time: setting and tracking goals, as well as ensuring an efficient internal communication strategy
• Why prioritizing a healthy work-life balance needs to start with the top
• Ian’s tips for how to establish a four-day workweek
• What’s next for Ian and Bolt: growing the network and expanding past the typical e-commerce equation

Favorite quotes

“And I think when it comes to being remote, there's this - and Ryan, our CEO, founder does a great job of describing this - there's this work theater aspect of where you feel like you have to be on Slack all the time or taking your emails all the time. So people think you're busy. And I think what Ryan really wants to do is get rid of that work theater and also really focus on the work-life balance of his employees to reduce burnout. And so, you know, we have a four-day work week. We bust it Monday through Thursday. And we're not worried about the work theater aspect. We're just in it to get things done.” - Ian Leslie

“One thing is we are extremely diligent about goal setting. So you know, setting our OKRs, reviewing those OKRS on a biweekly basis, and tracking toward those and the associated KPIs that go with those. I think that's really it, right? I think the better you're able to goal set, the better you're able to set really definitive, accurate, and on-point OKRs and underlying KPIs, and then strive towards hitting those metrics. I think that's really how we're able to judge the performance of the team and that we're not being hampered by the four-day work week.” - Ian Leslie

“And I think for me personally, what the four-day work week tells me. And for me, it's not about hours, it's not about days. It's about a message from the top that the work-life balance is important to the employees.” - Ian Leslie

“My wife and I joke when we had one child, our first child, we're like, ‘Wow, what did we do with all our time with no children?’ And then we had two children. We're like, ‘Wow, what did we do with all our time when we had one child?’ And three children, we're like, ‘What did we do with our time when we had two children?’ And I think it's similar, right? When you have a five-day work week, you're gonna find reasons to fill the time, right? You go to a four-day work week and you figure out you could do more with less.” - Ian Leslie

Meet today’s guest, Ian Leslie

Ian Leslie is an expert in building and leading integrated marketing campaigns across owned, earned, and paid channels with a focus on social media and overall digital experience. He has led and deployed multiple website redesigns and re-platforms, always leading to lift across all major KPIs.

Ian is obsessed with merchant success and helping partners fulfill their sales and e-commerce goals. With more than 10 years experience in lead-gen and demand-gen, Ian's goal is to help brands connect with their audience in a way that optimizes the merchant's ability to win a new customer and advocate.

Frequent podcast guest discussing e-commerce trends:

eCommerce Masterplan 

Future Commerce: Skillset of the Modern CMO

Retention Masterclass: Personalization is a plus in a pandemic

Actionable Insights: This Sofa is Different

Productivity resources to explore

• Bolt
• Lifespan by David Sinclair
• BigCommerce
• PrestaShop
• OKRs explanation from Asana
• Lattice People Management
• Slack
• Asana
• ThinkShop by Bolt
• Bolt blog, Twitter, & LinkedIn
• Get More Done podcast
• YouCanBook.me 

“The surprising impact of a four-day work week” full transcript

This transcript has been slightly edited for clarity and readability.

Ben (00:00):

This is Get More Done, a YouCanBook.me podcast. And my name is Ben. As the host of this podcast, I have learned a ton about productivity and how to do more with less. We hope that these discussions with CEOs, managers, consultants, and coaches will also help you and your team level up. On today's episode, I sat down with Ian Leslie, the Senior Director of Retail Advocacy at Bolt, an e-commerce checkout operating system that is designed to save shoppers and merchants a ton of time while unlocking some amazing features. Recently, Bolt made headlines by switching to a four-day work week. Ian and I talk about how this transition has been, how the team stays productive, and he provides some advice for others looking to shorten their work week. Enjoy.

Ben (00:53):

Excellent. Welcome back to Get More Done, the podcast all about productivity and helping teams level up. On today's episode, I'm catching up with the Senior Director of Retail Advocacy at Bolt, Ian Leslie. So Ian, welcome to Get More Done.

Ian (01:06):

Hey, thanks. Happy to be here, Ben. Thank you.

Ben (01:09):

Yeah, Ian, a really exciting conversation we have in store all about Bolt's culture and all the good stuff. But before we get into that, we start these conversations with an icebreaker question. So for you, the question is what's something people don't know about you?

Ian (01:24):

Something people don't know about me, that's a good question. I think previously my kind of go-to was that I was the local New York City debate team champ in seventh grade when I went to junior high school in the Bronx. That's a really old one. I think something else is I'm really into intermittent fasting. So my wife and I are kind of avid intermittent fasters over the past year and that kind of goes in line with my being very data-centric in my life and in work. And sort of taking that to how I live my life in terms of what I eat and when I eat and all that jazz.

Ben (02:04):

Yeah, absolutely. Intermittent fasting is kind of like a biohacking thing.

Ian (02:08):

Yeah, for sure. Then there are some really cool apps out there and some really cool other programs out there you can get into. You know track your glucose, blood, as you're eating and what's triggering what. But yeah, super cool.

Ben (02:23):

Yeah, that's really awesome. I was turned onto that as well. I read David Sinclair's book, Lifespan, about longevity and the power of intermittent fasting and timing when you eat.

Ian (02:32):

Oh, cool. Yeah. Awesome.

Ben (02:34):

Yeah, emerging stuff there. So everybody take note of that. Awesome. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your role at Bolt?

Ian (02:45):

Yeah, sure. So my background is in journalism. I graduated college as a journalist, kind of got into writing and editing in the first part of my career. Then got into jack of all marketing, which led to me working in interactive digital services, demand lead gen for a university down here in the south. That took me into e-commerce and the merchant side. And I was CMO of an e-commerce furniture company for six years, which then led me to this position as Senior Director of Retail Advocacy and overseeing customer marketing for Bolt. That's kind of the really short story of my path to where I am now and working with Bolt, which if your audience isn't familiar is a one-click checkout solution, checkout operating system, that integrates with pretty much every web ECMS out there or CMS. And it's been a great ride.

Ben (03:45):

Yeah, absolutely. And starting on the e-com side and then going over to the operation side.

Ian (03:50):

Yeah, SaSS side for e-com. Yeah, for sure.

Ben (03:52):

Absolutely. And tell us a little bit more about the speed of that one-click checkout. Cause that was something, you know, as I was exploring Bolt, of just how much time that can save online customers, right? Of just being able to click a few buttons and then you're already checked out.

Ian (04:06):

Yeah. So I mean, it's on a couple of fronts, right? Like with any software or any kind of business, you have the consumer side and then you have the B2B side. And on the consumer side, it just makes checkout and life a lot easier, right? So the time, the speed to check out is exponentially faster. When you have a Bolt account, you really just need that verification text. And if you already have your credit card information saved with Bolt, then you're checking out just via that confirmation text and no reason to get up from the bedroom, go to the living room to get your wallet and get your credit cards. And with more and more merchants joining the Bolt network, I mean, it's just with more regularity that customers are going to come across websites that are utilizing Bolt, you know, on the B2B side. It's obviously huge because you're seeing consumers convert that much more regularly because of that one-click checkout experience.

Ian (04:58):

And then it also, at a bigger picture with the B2B side, is that Bolt is truly like a checkout operating system. So we don't just handle the checkout component, but we also can handle the fraud component. We also, for all these, as shoppers know now, and your listers know, you go to the checkout option and you're seeing Apple Pay, you're seeing Amazon Pay, you're seeing CARNA, you're seeing Affirm. You're seeing all these what are called auto-alternative payment methods or buy now, pay later methods. And, often for websites, they have to take the time with developers to add each individual payment method to their site. And with Bolt, you don't have to do that. Basically, you install Bolt, and then through Bolt, you just put your logins or your credentials or your keys for those alternative payment methods.

Ian (05:45):

And it all goes right into the Bolt model. So it's really taking a ton of dev time, and making things a lot more efficient, taking dev time away from the merchants that they have to utilize the time and spend, and just making that whole process so much more efficient to add all these APMs or buy now, pay later options to their website. So yeah, it's efficiency on the consumer side that Bolt offers and speed to check out, conversion lift, and efficiency on the merchant B2B side.

Ben (06:14):

Yeah, that's amazing to hear. I love that both parties are saving time of getting it installed onto their side from the business standpoint and the customers as well. And, you know, you mentioned a little bit about that network effect. How has that impacted your growth? Have you just seen exponential growth of more folks coming onboard onto the network?

Ian (06:32):

Yeah, I mean thousands upon thousands of people being added to the network every day and our amazing sales team is just going out and more and more, not just disparate websites, are realizing the power of Bolt, but you know, these brands that encompass or these companies that encompass multiple brand sites. So for instance, you know, Forever 21, Lucky, are all owned by the same company, and to bring those types of brands under the Bolt umbrella and add those shoppers to the network just exponentially just drives the power and the growth of the network. So yeah, we're seeing the network grow in the tens of millions and just grow exponentially every day, every week, every month. And what's really amazing, awesome too, is as a Bolt merchant, you have real-time access to the size of the Bolt network. So you're not just kind of guessing. As a Bolt merchant, when you log into your admin side account, we actually provide what the real-time size of the Bolt network is, which I think is really cool. And in terms of transparency, visibility, and just being honest with our merchants.

Ben (07:38):

Yeah, that transparency is a breath of fresh air. Nowadays, a lot of people keep that behind closed doors. Keep the sleeves rolled down a bit. And when we talk about those merchants that are, you know, coming on board the network, how easy is it for them to scale up once they have Bolt set up?

Ian (07:55):

Yeah, I mean, I think it's easy for them to onboard. Right now, we work with a lot of enterprise-level merchants, but we've got just some amazing partnerships with some of the largest content management systems, web content management systems out there. Like BigCommerce, PrestaShop, and Adobe, formerly known as Magento, Magento got rolled up into Adobe, and those are really gonna start being one step or self serve kind of options. So really they can go in, install the app themselves on their website, and basically just turn Bolt on. So yeah, I mean the scalability and the ability to add it to your site, our speed to market or the merchant's ability to be fast to market with Bolt is really just, we're just working on that every day. It's really a big priority for our team. And so, I think that's great. In terms of their scalability and sales, all metrics really are showing that when you utilize Bolt and when shoppers utilize a Bolt account, there is really a lift in every major KPI for a site. So, it's awesome. It's obviously a win.

Ben (09:12):

Yeah. And speaking of metrics, I mean, have you all seen reduction in cart abandonment with the one checkout and those types of features?

Ian (09:20):

Yeah, there's significant cart abandonment reduction. From the point of added to cart, Bolt merchants convert, I think, at nearly a 60% higher rate. Or Bolt customers rather, Bolt shoppers with the Bolt account, converted nearly at a 60% higher rate than those not, or checking out via a guest account, or anonymously, if you will. And then additionally, I mean, there's the whole piece of, I'm not sure how familiar your audience is with this, but we're seeing obviously more and more privacy issues across whether it's browsers or iOS. And not issues, it's just a crackdown of privacy. So the reduction of cookies across websites so websites won't be able to track you as much and then iOS really not tracking you as much. And so it's really important for merchants to have first-party data on their customers to really know who their customer is.

Ian (10:17):

And so the more they're able to either create an ease of creating an account on their website, which we do, or just, you know, pushing them toward that account creation and not a guest checkout, which is also something we strive toward. Because again, the value add is that once you have a Bolt account, you can check out with ease across all these other websites. So yeah, I mean, there's that aspect as well of just having that first-party data and the merchants knowing more about their customers and able to market to them better.

Ben (10:48):

Yeah. That sounds like an amazing foundation of making it easy for folks to use your platform and then integrate with your platform and the scalability of that and the exponential growth. That sounds really great. So now I wanna pivot to the company behind the product there. So back in September, you all were experimenting with that four-day work week, and most recently made this a permanent policy. So how have things been going so far with that new week structure and the new four-day work week?

Ian (11:17):

I mean, it's been going great. Yeah. Like to your point, it was something that was tested in the fall and then a survey went out internally and, you know, an overall majority of people said that they liked it. They were able to work under that foundation and structure of the four-day work week. And it's something that's been deemed permanent for this year. And I think it's amazing. I think, you know, really we're all remote. The overwhelming majority of the company is remote. And I think when it comes to being remote, there's this - and Ryan, our CEO, founder does a great job of describing this - there's this work theater aspect of where you feel like you have to be on Slack all the time or taking your emails all the time. So people think you're busy. And I think what Ryan really wants to do is get rid of that work theater and also really focus on the work-life balance of his employees to reduce burnout. And so, you know, we have a four-day work week. We bust it Monday through Thursday. And we're not worried about the work theater aspect. We're just in it to get things done.

Ian (12:24):

And then come Friday, if you wanna check your email, if you want to catch up on Slack or catch up on anything you want to catch up on, that's great. But I mean, it's not required and it's not expected. If someone messages you on Friday, it's not expected that you get back and fulfill that work theater aspect, right? And I think that's really important. I think it's really important to promote that people have the ability to turn off, and I think that's really critical for the work-life balance and for the health of the employee. So yeah, it's been great. It's been working out great from all accounts. I've enjoyed it. I mean, I've posted a number of things on LinkedIn and Twitter. For instance, I think one of my favorite things was that a four-day work week meant I didn't have to wait until Friday night to watch the finale of Ted Lasso. I was able to watch it first thing in the morning on Friday, which was awesome, you know? And so just things like that. And I think it's been great and really positive across all reports.

Ben (13:27):

Yeah. And when this decision became implemented, was everybody on board or were there any resistance or concerns from any of the team members?

Ian (13:36):

I don't think there was any resistance by any means. I'm sure there was some natural: well, how do we do this? You know? And, are we gonna be able to fit all our meetings in a four-day work week? And what about outside people who want to have meetings with us on Fridays? What do we tell them? But I think to the credit of our team, I think we've all evangelized it so well and have been so positive about it that, at least for me, so many of the people I work with that are outside of Bolt are respectful of it, you know, and are just like, "Oh, we know you don't work Fridays. We know your four-day work week. We'll just make sure we schedule any calls Monday through Thursday."

Ian (14:18):

I think that sort of our evangelizing of it and just how positive it's gone over across all channels. I think a lot of the outside partners are just respectful of it and taking that into mind when they schedule time with us. But yeah, I mean, like I said, I don't think there was any pushback. I think there was just simply: okay, so how do we do this, right? And, what do we need to learn to make Monday through Thursday more efficient? How do we keep our meetings more efficient? Just all that kind of individual growth and professional development to make sure we're optimizing our time Monday through Thursday. I think we're all growing for it and are more efficient for it. And, it's growing well.

Ben (15:07):

And talk to me a little bit about kind of the logistics of this. I assume support is in there, you know, every day, but maybe they're taking shifts or alternating shifts and the majority of folks are just taking that Friday off?

Ian (15:18):

Yeah. I really can't speak for the support team and, you know, that engineering dev team. I mean, of course being a SaSS platform that is operating on hundreds of websites that is responsible for millions upon millions of dollars of e-commerce revenue a week. We have to make sure we have a hundred percent up time and you know, that if something goes wrong, people are responsible for it or responsive. So, yeah. I mean, I think obviously that's being solved for, in terms of scheduling and, I don't think it's like a blanket Friday thing, right? I mean, I think generally it's Fridays for those that can take it, but for that support or engineering dev team, they're obviously having to account for that staffing. Staffing the network. Staffing the system. You know, guaranteeing as close to a hundred percent uptime as possible, but that comes with obviously the industry.

Ben (16:19):

Yeah and just making sure that everybody, you know, is being included in that, right? And getting their time off as they need to.

Ian (16:26):

Oh, for sure. I mean, that's, without a doubt. They definitely are.

Ben (16:29):

Now you talked a bit about, you know, the growth of figuring out how to do more with less, essentially less time. So how are you all tracking productivity during this time of making sure that you are still accomplishing that same level of output that you saw before, without that work theater, as you mentioned?

Ian (16:48):

Right. Sure. I mean, one thing is we are extremely diligent about goal setting. So you know, setting our OKRs, reviewing those OKRS on a biweekly basis, and tracking toward those and the associated KPIs that go with those. I think that's really it, right? I think the better you're able to goal set, the better you're able to set really definitive, accurate, and on-point OKRs and underlying KPIs, and then strive towards hitting those metrics. I think that's really how we're able to judge the performance of the team and that we're not being hampered by the four-day work week. And from all accounts, that's exactly what's occurred is that we have been able to hit our OKRs and we have been able to kind of strive and hit the goals that were set out for us toward the last quarter, the last two quarters of the previous year, which led Ryan to really feel confident that we can keep pushing forward as a company like this.

Ben (17:58):

And in what processes do you all have in place internally to kind of help with that efficiency? Cause you mentioned the OKRs and tracking that, but are there any processes that are saving your team a ton of time?

Ian (18:09):

Communication is huge at Bolt and I just think the playbook for communication and feedback and how we're utilizing tools like Asana and tools like Lattice and even Slack, like our Slack playbook and just what's Slack for, what's in the Asana task. And I really think, you know, coming into Bolt, the playbook of just how to communicate, how to escalate, how to give feedback is just so well documented. That really the cornerstone and the foundation of us being able to work efficiently and understand what the goals are and how to work toward them. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's really it, right? It's the communication piece. And then understanding how to use the tools, because these work tools, there's just so many of them, right?

Ian (19:08):

And I think you can get overwhelmed with just adding this stack of tools to your work theater, if you will. But I think it's important to really understand: okay, why do we have this tool and how do you utilize it? So how are we utilizing Asana? How are we utilizing Lattice? How are we utilizing Slack? And like I said, I think the onboarding process for me at Bolt, seven months ago now, was just so seamless. I came in with a clear understanding of what was expected in terms of those communication channels and I think that's huge. I think that's a huge part of it.

Ben (19:45):

Yeah. I think you hit it on the head of just having that proper communication in place and knowing how to leverage those tools. Because if you have a process that's out of whack and you put in some technology, it's not gonna help, it's only gonna exacerbate that issue. So talk to me a little bit about the hiring and employee retention since this four-day work week has been initiated. How have you seen that impact hiring and folks maybe interested in coming to work with Bolt?

Ian (20:13):

Yeah. I mean, I'm not in that part of the organization in terms of recruiting and whatnot, but I mean just narratively, I can tell you internally on Slack and what I've seen on Twitter and LinkedIn. And people outside of Bolt posting screenshots of articles or Ryan on CNN talking about the four-day work week and then tagging a friend who works at Bolt and is like, "Hey guys, are you hiring?" So, I mean, I think it's definitely a great recruitment tool, right? And I think for me personally, what the four-day work week tells me. And for me, it's not about hours, it's not about days. It's about a message from the top that the work-life balance is important to the employees and that that message is coming from the top down. And I think that message was coming from the top down even before the four-day work week at Bolt. I really got that sense and really felt that from starting with Ryan and coming all the way down. And I think now the rest of the world is hearing that and realizing that, wow, Bolt is such an employee-focused company.

Ian (21:23):

And so, yeah. I mean, again, I'm not in that world. I don't know about our recruiting statistics, but I can tell you it's gotta be helping, right? And like I said, I'm very active on social and I'm seeing it on social. I see people saying like, "Oh, hey Bolt, are you hiring?" And all these screenshots and all these reshares. And yeah, it's obviously been a good recruiting tool.

Ben (21:40):

Yeah. It is definitely an added perk and benefit. But I think you mentioned just the emphasis on that work-life balance. I think that's the biggest tell-tale sign of a solid company of saying, "Hey, we appreciate that you're working hard, but you also need to avoid burnout and take care of yourself." For sure. So what advice would you give to other groups looking to explore a four-day work week now that you've been into it for a few months and you've seen maybe successes, that growth, and those challenges that you were talking about?

Ian (22:12):

Yeah. To my point earlier, I think it has to start with a good structure of communication. It really has to start with that structure of how do you communicate? How do you escalate? Because our time is fairly limited. How am I able to cut through what's something I need to answer now versus what can wait 72 hours? And so just really good utilization of those tools, whether it's Slack or Asana or email. I think the other thing to reiterate again is just goal setting, right? If you're going to be on a four-day work week, you really have to understand what the important goals you're working toward are and are they measurable and just tracking them regularly. I think that those are the two big pieces: communication and strong, tangible, measurable goals. Without that foundation, though, I could imagine it would be difficult to tear the bandaid and just say, "Okay, four-day work week," right? You have to have that good foundation out amongst the workforce.

Ben (23:25):

Yeah and I mean, when you all were trialing this outlast at the end of last year, were there some learning curves that kind of threw you for a loop when everybody was testing this out?

Ian (23:35):

I don't know that there were necessarily too many curves. I think we did find that the biggest thing or the biggest learning for the team was probably while we keep meetings relatively short and we keep them fairly limited, we, I think realized that we still had too many meetings. So I think we were forced to kind of audit what meetings do we need, what meetings don't we need. And so, I think that probably one of the bigger learnings was that, "Wow, we're really limited." We, like I said, we really keep our meetings pretty limited. And even with that, we were like, "Okay, four-day work week, there are still a few meetings we don't need." So I think that was good. And I think every company experiences that. Obviously, I think in every company that's probably one of the most common things is we have too many meetings.

Ian (24:29):

And I think go to a four-day work week and you're like, "Oh wow. We even still have too many meetings. For me, this is probably a weird metaphor comparison, but, you know, I have three children. My wife and I joke when we had one child, our first child, we're like, "Wow, what did we do with all our time with no children?" And then we had two children. We're like, "Wow, what did we do with all our time when we had one child?" And three children, we're like, "What did we do with our time when we had two children?" And I think it's similar, right? When you have a five-day work week, you're gonna find reasons to fill the time, right? You go to a four-day work week and you figure out you could do more with less, essentially.

Ben (25:12):

Yeah, I think it's Parkinson's law where it just fills the capacity that you give it, right? Of saying, I can do it in five days. We could do it in four days. In the future maybe a two day work week. Where will things go? Who knows. But yeah, I understand what you took coming from having the three kids, because it's a different way of approaching life. And you're like, "What happened to all that time?" But at least you get your Fridays back now to spend some time with them. So yeah, apart from, you know, catching up on some shows like Ted Lasso, what are you spending that extra day doing?

Ian (25:43):

I do yard work on Fridays. It opens me up to move yard work off the weekends and to do it on Fridays. You know, get a workout in. I coach varsity soccer. So maybe do some planning or something in that regard. Catch up with a friend for coffee. Albeit now we're still in the kind of heats of COVID, you know, sometimes a virtual coffee, but just living life. So yeah, it's been good.

Ben (26:15):

Awesome. So what's next for you and the team at Bolt?

Ian (26:19):

I think the product roadmap at Bolt is amazing and it's just continuing to grow the network and to just make it as easy as possible for our merchants to onboard Bolt. And then really just to take Bolt across not just the e-com website itself, but across all channels. So there's just some amazing things coming down the pike in terms of how people are gonna be able to check out across a publisher channel, like in an article, or across social media or whatever it may be. And I think Bolt's at the forefront of that and we'll just really revolutionize where we're considering the checkout as a natural occurrence, right? Cause I think sooner than later we're just going to get used to checking out places that aren't on the native website of the company. And I think that's really important to the growth of Bolt and our merchants. So yeah, multichannel, and then growing the network, bringing on more and more merchant partners, bringing on more and more CMS partners. Like I said, great partnerships with Adobe, BigCommerce, et cetera, PrestaShop that we've recently announced. And yeah, I think it's really exciting to see what's coming.

Ben (27:42):

Definitely sounds exciting. Really pushing the limits of e-commerce and expanding your network. So where can folks go to learn a little bit more about everything you and the team are working on?

Ian (27:52):

Yeah, I mean the best place is bolt.com. There you can find our blog. You can find one of our blog channels called ThinkShop where we talk a lot about the future of e-commerce in general. But yeah, the bolt.com blog is really primarily where we post a lot of the news in terms of what's coming out in the product on the roadmap side. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, you can just find us on all those social channels.

Ben (28:20):

We'll be sure to add that to the blog post that we put out and link to all that. I'm gonna be checking on the pulse and seeing how things are going and hopefully encourage our team to maybe switch to a four-day work week.

Ian (28:33):

Yeah, there you go.

Ben (28:34):

And see how that goes. So Ian, thank you so much for taking the limited time of your week to spend with me here. And thanks for being on Get More Done. I wish you and the team of Bolt success this year.

Ian (28:46):

Awesome. Thank you. This has been really good. I hope people take some of the lessons to heart and yeah, I hope everyone can get a four-day work week.

Ben (28:54):

Yeah, absolutely. Give us our Fridays back. All right. So have a good one.

Ian (29:00):

All right. Thanks.

Ben (29:01):

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